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I'm just getting into alternative processes and wanted to know if anyone has used a paper neg to make a platinum print. I know with a regular film neg, the exposure times are long and was wondering what length of exposure (in a UV lightbox) would be needed, if using a paper neg. Thanks - Jim
 

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You can also wax your paper negs to make them more transparent and thus shorten the exposure time. I believe there is some info about this in the archives here.

As for practical experience, I have never tried paper negs, but the idea of an 8x10 pinhole is always biting at my heels and paper negs would be great for it.
 

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aj-images said:
I'm just getting into alternative processes and wanted to know if anyone has used a paper neg to make a platinum print. I know with a regular film neg, the exposure times are long and was wondering what length of exposure (in a UV lightbox) would be needed, if using a paper neg. Thanks - Jim


hi jim

in about a week i'll be trying my hand at using paper negatives for cyanotyping ... not pt/pd. i'll be using the sun as a light source not a uv light box ...

a few weeks ago i started experimenting ( again ) with waxing paper to make them transulcent ... i had forgotten that it doens't make them totally see-through, but ... helps a little bit :smile: i used single weight paper, and have never waxed heavier stuff.

i was using parafin and i wanted to use a clothes iron, but forgot from my skiing days that wax is kind of hard to remove from the platten once it is on ... i didn't want to make the person who irons the cloths kind of upset with me for waxing all of her clothes. :rolleyes: instead i heated the print in a pan and rubbed-rubbed-rubbed the wax on. i'll probably use an iron in due time, and use hi-grade cooking oil too since it probably works better.

good luck!
john
 

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aj-images said:
I'm just getting into alternative processes and wanted to know if anyone has used a paper neg to make a platinum print. I know with a regular film neg, the exposure times are long and was wondering what length of exposure (in a UV lightbox) would be needed, if using a paper neg. Thanks - Jim

The length of your exposure times with paper negatives, unless oiled, will be close to unbearable. Even film negatives require exposures in the 5-15 minute range, and paper negatives will be at leat two stops slower, i.e. minimum exposure times of 20 - 60 minutes.

Oiling should reduce exposure by about a stop.

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I'm not familiar with waxing or oiling negs. Is there a site anyone can recommend? Thanks for the help so far. - Jim
 

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I'm not familiar with waxing or oiling negs. Is there a site anyone can recommend? Thanks for the help so far. - Jim

The best source I know for this is the archives of the alt-photo-process list serve. Go there and do a search on paper negatives and I think you will find more information on the subject than anywhere else you might search. But, you might just post a message to the list on the subject and I would anticipate multiple useful replies.

Sandy
 

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You might want to try using artists vellum paper. It is translucent without putting oil on it. I've used it for Van Dyke and cyanotype negatives. The exposure times are reasonable. It feeds through my Epson CX5400 just fine.
 

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Gordon Cooper said:
You might want to try using artists vellum paper. It is translucent without putting oil on it. I've used it for Van Dyke and cyanotype negatives. The exposure times are reasonable. It feeds through my Epson CX5400 just fine.

Unless I misunderstood the original message the question was about making paper negatives from silver gelatin printing papers?

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Sandy - Correct. I searched archives and can't find anything. If someone can give me the basic idea of waxing, I can play with it and figure it out. Thanks - Jim
 

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The simplest form of waxing a print is to rub wax into the base side until the paper becomes translucent. Plain paraffin works fine. You can get more translucency by melting the wax and working it in while hot; it will penetrate the fibers better that way, and the temperature required, about 140 F, shouldn't damage a dry emulsion (you'll routinely heat a print to higher temperature during dry mounting), but melted wax can be tricky to keep off the emulsion side of the print, and is quite difficult to remove if it gets where it doesn't belong.

(Be sure to follow appropriate safety precautions in handling melted wax -- not only can the liquid burn flesh the same way hot cooking oil can, it's also slightly flammable; it should be melted in a double boiler over an electric burner, not directly on the burner or over any kind of flame. A wax fire should be treated as a gasoline/oil type fire; DO NOT use water to extinguish, but rather smother the fire with a pot lid or similar, cover with baking soda, or use a dry chemical or CO2 extinguisher. Someone with experience making candles would be a good mentor for the melted wax method.)

If the print is sacrificial, it's much simpler to rub cooking oil into the back, but because this oil will eventually become rancid and decompose, or oxidize and harden, you shouldn't do this with a print you can't reproduce. Paraffin wax won't decompose this way, and though the print may be less archival (mostly because it will be susceptible to heat causing shifting of the wax), it's a matter of years vs. decades of life, not the weeks it will take for vegetable oil to decompose or harden.
 

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Oh, one more thing -- if you're contact printing from a waxed (or especially oiled) negative, it's prudent to insert a clear mylar or acetate ply between the negative and print to avoid transferring oil or wax to the print -- where it will prevent development and result in a white mark or blotch.
 
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