Orthochromatic 35mm film comparison / which developer is the best ?

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😉.....I've an idea what's coming from you now. I would probably
answer first : it depends.

I am particularly interested in these 3 films :

- Ilford ortho plus ......ISO 80 - my speed ISO 25

- Adox CMS 20 II ...~ ISO 20 - my speed ~ ISO 10

- Rollei ORTHO 25......ISO 25 - my speed ~ ISO 10

Has anyone had good results with pyro developers with Ilford?
 
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Next issue : The CMS 20 II is orthopanchromatic and there is a suitable developer from ADOX - but I don't want that.

How did you actually do in the past with document film?

ADOX wouldn't have reinvented the wheel
every time, would it ?

I prefer to schedule the developer by myself from raws on a recipe.

Any suggestions ?
 

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How did you actually do in the past with document film?

Originally it was intended as a microfilm that was developed to a high contrast, it was never intended be a pictorial camera film. Thus the need for special developers that can lower the contrast to bring it into the pictorial range.
 
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Originally it was intended as a microfilm that was developed to a high contrast, it was never intended be a pictorial camera film. Thus the need for special developers that can lower the contrast to bring it into the pictorial range.

Just from my mind, how does it work if you shoot with overexposure and pull development - the contrasts become
weaker ?

- Ilford ISO 6
- ADOX ISO 2
- ROLLEI ISO 6.……...🧐??? (just theoretically)
 

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Beverly Hills, wow only EI 25 in your case for Ilford and down to 6 with overexposure and pull development

If it's only 25 for you and that works for you then fine there's no more to be said but it just sees very low given that Greg Davis in his video about it confirmed that in D76 it was a genuine 80 speed film and from what I recall from others none had it as low as 25 of even mentioned that it was not a box speed fim

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Beverly Hills, wow only EI 25 in your case for Ilford and down to 6 with overexposure and pull development

If it's only 25 for you and that works for you then fine there's no more to be said but it just sees very low given that Greg Davis in his video about it confirmed that in D76 it was a genuine 80 speed film and from what I recall from others none had it as low as 25 of even mentioned that it was not a box speed fim

pentaxuser

Thank you pentaxuser, I had experimented with extremely
diluted D76 solution ( factor 1/4 as min. recomanded around 35 min. temperated - for sure D76 died in between)

The results were pretty flat, ( simple low cost Film APX100),
but I have thought about it : if necessary contrast defraction
is also possible.

Beutler would also be worth considering - or not?

The very slow speed isn't a problem for me.
 

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Just from my mind, how does it work if you shoot with overexposure and pull development - the contrasts become
weaker ?

Only to a point. A high contrast developer doesn't be come a low contrast developer simply by diluting it, you need different chemical reactions to produce satisfactory results.

Inn the case of the Adox CMS-20, every test I have seen shows that the dedicated Adox developer does produce the best results. See the video Andrew made:
 
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Only to a point. A high contrast developer doesn't be come a low contrast developer simply by diluting it, you need different chemical reactions to produce satisfactory results.

Inn the case of the Adox CMS-20, every test I have seen shows that the dedicated Adox developer does produce the best results. See the video Andrew made:

Thank you, i've no doubt : ADOX ADOTECH ist a great developer, with best results.
Also the Rollei RLC is suitable, Spur Nanospeed is also able
to do the job.....but I want my own.

It has to go!🚧🚧🚧🚧work in progress a🤧...
 
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Beverly Hills, wow only EI 25 in your case for Ilford and down to 6 with overexposure and pull development

If it's only 25 for you and that works for you then fine there's no more to be said but it just sees very low given that Greg Davis in his video about it confirmed that in D76 it was a genuine 80 speed film and from what I recall from others none had it as low as 25 of even mentioned that it was not a box speed fim

pentaxuser

In this case the Ilford would have the same speed as the Rollei,
are you sure about this pentaxuser?
Not a problem for me, but still a bit strange.
 
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Originally it was intended as a microfilm that was developed to a high contrast, it was never intended be a pictorial camera film. Thus the need for special developers that can lower the contrast to bring it into the pictorial range.
Ok Craig i've already
investigated ( with the help of your video )

POTA DEVELOPER would be an alternative concerning CMS II

A pure phenidone developer - quite simple.

Perhaps there may be other alternatives with
developers of the same principle (without second agent)
 

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In this case the Ilford would have the same speed as the Rollei,
are you sure about this pentaxuser?
Not a problem for me, but still a bit strange.

I have never used Ilford Ortho 80 but as far as I can recall the general consensus amongst its users was that it is a genuine 80 speed film. Does the 25 in the Rollei Ortho not indicate that the 2 film speeds are not the same? If the box speeds genuinely differ then why would Ilford and Rollei not differ even if your EI speeds for both are not the box speeds

For what it is worth Greg Davis in his tests on both films seemed to confirm that Ilford was 80 and Rollei was 25

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Have you considered using XTOL?
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I have never used Ilford Ortho 80 but as far as I can recall the general consensus amongst its users was that it is a genuine 80 speed film. Does the 25 in the Rollei Ortho not indicate that the 2 film speeds are not the same? If the box speeds genuinely differ then why would Ilford and Rollei not differ even if your EI speeds for both are not the box speeds

For what it is worth Greg Davis in his tests on both films seemed to confirm that Ilford was 80 and Rollei was 25

pentaxuser
thanks, I only can say that I remember a similar issue with
the speed of ROLLEI 80s but I am not so sure.
May be that was in a different context.
 
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