Old Jobo Tetanol C-41 Press Kit - spoiled?

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I've been using the Jobo/Tetenal kit in hand inversion tanks at room temp... whats the advantage to using the Kodak chemistry?
 
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mfratt, I started out talking about C-41 chemistry, an old Jobo Tetenal C41 Press Kit, specifically, then I switched to a discussion of RA4 printing. Now back to film processing, which gets this thread back on track (not that I mind it wandering, especially when I'm the one who instigates it) ...

The most often cited advantage of using the Kodak C41 chemicals that I have read on this forum is that the bleach and fix are separate steps, and this is supposed to yield more stable negatives with less chance of color changes (I think) due to under bleaching or under fixing. I think that's the gist of it, but there's probably more to it than that. There are many excellent posts by Photo Engineer (PE) and others who discuss this in far more technical detail than I ever could.

A disadvantage of using (or attempting to use) Kodak C41 chemistry is that it isn't available in small quantities, there are at least three different formulations intended for different types of processing, all components are separately orderable, and figuring out exactly which components you need to combine together is challenging (for many of us). There are myriad lists of the CAT numbers you need to get, all different (slight exageration).

Even more difficult is sourcing all the chemicals you need in small enough quantities to be reasonable. The bleach ships with a hazmat fee. Some merchants won't ship it at all (B&H). You may not be able to source all the components from one merchant. The merchants who sell it retail are often out of one component or another. But many people say that if you can sort out all the myriad CAT numbers and sourcing issues, Kodak is the best way to go for C41 processing. That's obviously a subjective evaluation.

I plan to switch to Kodak chemicals for my C41 processing after I use up the Tetenal kit I have now and the Arista C41 kit I recently bought.
 
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I've seen Tetenal/Unicolor powders go bad from oxidising and/or moisture. But only when opened or transferred to a zip lock bag. Once, I was stupid enough to try and "split" a kit in to half its volume, which sort of worked, but when I grabbed the remainder of the developer and tried to mix it a few weeks later, it was difficult to dissolve and instead of becoming "iced tea" looked like a sludgy glass of vitamin C solubles with a lot sticky black specks. Almost ruined my measuring and storage gear, since those black things were real difficult to clean off.
 
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Thankfully I didn't have that problem. But there were brown specks all throughout the developer powder before I mixed it up. It looked sort of like dark brown sesame seeds, or rodent poo. It mixed up just fine, no problem except for turbidity that disappeared after a half hour. No sediment.
 
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Does anyone know how long these chemicals will remain fresh unopened?

Pricing at Adorama for one each of the above comes to about $98 plus $41 shipping. I could get 4 times the developer and bleach (4x10L each) plus one each of the othe two from Pakor for $145 plus unknown shipping cost. Four times as much chemicals for 1.5 times the cost. That's a tremendous savings. But only if the unopened bottles of concentrates last a long time.
 

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I have had it keep for over a year once opened and just had the Part B die in the bottle, it was purchased over two years ago and just passed away sometime since Feb, after being opened for about a year. I do purge the air out with nitrogen, but with only 22ml left in the bottle, I guess I didn't do it well enough. The dev I mixed up from that set in Feb is still good.

Kodak do date code the bottles and have a shelf life time published, but I don't remember where I saw it. If it's anything like the life span for working solutions, it is very conservative. Unless of course you leave it out in the back shed for the summer at your place. :smile: Mine is stored at 70 F or cooler.
 
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Thanks Bob. That gives me a bit of confidence in buying larger quantities.
 
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