Large silver gelatin enlargements - still possible?

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  1. William Crow

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    In my town, decades ago, there was a photo lab that had a gigantic enlarger on a horizontal track that could travel maybe 20 to 30 feet (maybe more) away from the surface - the wall - where the printing paper would be placed?
    Then some years later, in New Orleans I saw my first show of Helmut Newton's work. The prints were enormous, some maybe 6 feet tall. Others, 3x3 or 4x4. They were done on fiber base silver gelatin paper. And not flattened. They had some curl to them. A wonderful, powerful show.

    Do any labs still exist that can do this type of enlarging? What kind of enlarger would handle it?

    (Later I saw another show of his and one by Annie Leibovitz in New York that were ink jetted and pressed onto foam core - very flat. Much less impressive. Not as powerful. The prints might have even been ink jet prints ...Oops, "Giclee"...got to sound artsy.)

    (I hope I have the right thread to post to. I'm getting a big red warning this is for analog workflow. I assume this is the enlarging area I'm posting to.)
     
  2. Truzi

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    I can't answer your question (and would love to see enlargements that big), but you're in the right area. The warning is just a reminder so people can make sure they are posting in the right area. The software can't get context, so simply looks for words . Your magic words were giclee and ink jet, but you are not talking about them.
     
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    The same kind of enlarger that handled it back then!

    I think Kienzle has some horizontal enlargers on their website. I know Durst made them as well. A lot of horizontal enlargers are custom through. There are some vids on YouTube of Ansel's darkroom that shows his enlarger. Also look for one on Clyde Butcher's darkroom. He has a custom one as well. You can see him actually using it.

    Your limitation these days might be paper size. I don't know what size papers are still available. I'm sure someone will chime in on that.
     
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    Isn't gelatin silver paper still available in rolls of 4 or 5 foot widths?
     
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    Yes, B&H shows Ilford FB paper in rolls as wide as 56" and RC as wide as 50".
     
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    LTI Lightside in New York still does optically printed enlargements up to 50" x 84" but the mural size ones can get fairly expensive (at least to me).
     
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    I'm not sure about whether there are many labs in the world able to do wet printing that big any more, mainly because they probably wouldn't have roller transport processors big enough. I have used a couple of these 254mm by 254mm horizontal enlargers, plus one of their smaller siblings. 15 minutes to say 20-25 minutes for some of the exposures of the biggest enlargements is where you can easily be. More so if you are burning in; ½ a stop more exposure of 10 minutes, is 5 minutes; get the idea?

    https://www.google.com.au/search?q=horizontal+enlarger&client=firefox-b&dcr=0&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=wBWLBAVXq2PkJM%3A%2CiF5inTjbOgPpGM%2C_&usg=__eiN8-opR23xyVW5zhQo676BAkLI=&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiG6s_HrMXZAhWBerwKHejdBjoQ9QEIKTAA#imgdii=TUd8CA-8m7SkRM:&imgrc=wBWLBAVXq2PkJM:

    As for paper and stuff. Back in the day (30 + years ago) Ilford only did B&W resin coated paper in 1.2m wide rolls. Kodak did colour paper up to 1.8m wide, widest in the world I know of. Our colour paper processor was 50mm wider than the paper. When doing the largest print possible, which was 1.8m wide by 6m long, it was always a challenge in complete darkness to get the paper threading straight. As for getting the paper stuck correctly on the wall in complete darkness, you don't wan to know.......................

    Running a big roller transport paper processor can be expensive; anything over 1.2m wide and you are starting to get into ever diminishing returns. Unless of course you are pushing serious amounts of paper through the machine, something I doubt is economically feasible these days.

    Mick.
     
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    In the SF Photofairs this last weekend, there were a couple 4x5 feet silver prints from Mitch Eppstein. A couple years ago, in the Avedon show in Philly, there were a few 6x8'? or larger silver prints.
     
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    1.8m x 5m:
    https://grieger.com/analogue-photographic-printing/

    But how many customers do they have for such optical enlargements?
    Grieger had established themselves as lab for the photo art-world. What set them apart amongst the mass of photo-printers. But such enlargement work is a niche within a niche. And that did not prevent the lab to go into insolvency a year ago. However in short time it was sold to a britisch publishing house, and went on with reduced staff (25 out of 35).



    Even as such equipment has been written off and the personnel may be used for other tasks, the rent for the space that large format exposing and processing requires goes on.
     
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    De Vere, Durst, Homrich, Kienzle come to my mind
     
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    Micheal Wesik has made a personal lab to make super large silver gelatin prints, he was a frequent poster here, I am not sure if he still does the work, but going by his investment in equipment I think he is.

    I make 30 x40 Silver Gelatin Prints with enlarger, and have made 30 x72 inch silver gelatins from my lambda, just recently for Larry Towell's show here in Toronto.
    In the future I plan to mack out my studio to be able to make super large prints, but I have to say that once someone finds out how expensive the process is to make these large murals , they get cold feet pretty fast.
    I was making a lot of 30 x40 prints for Will Murray last couple of years on Art 300 so that he can paint overtop of them.

    What one needs is space, super sized sinks, and a good budget to work from, every once in awhile I get all three... I hope one day to make a very large print project using 11 x14 film on my Devere 11 x14 enlarger, I hope 40 x50 size, my goal is to pick a subject matter and style that would work for my own work.
    Will I ever do super size.. Yes but the right project has to come with the right budget.
     
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    MODERNAGE Labs in NYC lists 48 x 96 inch fiber based prints at $990 each. They also claim a mural service unlimited in size. http://www.modernage.com/ at the foot of the homepage is the link to the catalog.
     
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    Thats a very good price for that size of print..
     
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    It's not hard to make large or mural-sized prints yourself. As noted above, mural-sized silver gelatin paper is readily available. Many enlargers are designed so they can turn to point at the floor or a distant wall. Process the paper in wallpaper troughs. With practice and patience you can get good results.
     
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