ilford Cibachrome and some vintage kodak film, what to do?

awty · Mar 21, 2017

Hi all
I should not play ebay late at night, but since I have and a large box arrived this morning what should I do with this stuff.
Mostly I wanted the drum roller, but hey might have fun with the rest.
2x boxes of 16x 20 Cibachrome one unopened
5x boxs of 8x10 Cibachrome all opened but seem to be plenty left, still in light proof bag.
1x box of kodax sheet film10x10 kodak aero transparency type v aaf class p. Box is open but film feels like its still sealed.
1x box of dupoint photo paper, lose photo paper of different sizes, assume its been exposed and is toast.
Happy to experiment, dont expect anything of what it once was.

Oh and what should I use the drum roller for?

Thanks

afriman · Mar 22, 2017

I reckon the best you can do with the paper and film is throw it away. Cibachrome-AII was produced between the early 80s and early 90s. It superseded Cibachrome-A (launched in 1975) and in 1992 the name was changed to Ilfochrome. Its keeping properties weren't good. Besides, where will you find the chemistry?

The film seems to be from the 1950s, so I wouldn't expect anything from that either. Perhaps someone else can suggest some kind of experimental use for it.

The drums and roller look great though!

Rudeofus · Mar 22, 2017

The paper stash you have is probably well aged by now, so standard chems won't work well - not that you can buy standard Ilfochrome chems anyway. Most Ilfochrome bathes can be trivially self mixed, except for the dye bleach, which requires at least to non-standard compounds. The big question regarding Ilfochrome is: do you have access to specialized chemical compounds? Are you willing to deal with these compounds, of which at least one is a known carcinogen?

dE fENDER · Mar 22, 2017

Ilfochrome bleach recipe: http://www.apug.org/forum/index.php?threads/cibachrome-bleach-recipe.26124/#post-365130
I can confirm that it works with phenazine (cheaper and very available) or with 2,3-dihydroxyqunoxaline (colorless => whites are better).

Old ciba paper keeps very well, opposite to other color materials, and I have no fog on paper, expired at 1990, but you will need enlarger with possibility to use filter values about 400 300 00 for such paper.

awty · Mar 22, 2017

dE fENDER said:
Ilfochrome bleach recipethere was a url link here which no longer exists)
I can confirm that it works with phenazine (cheaper and very available) or with 2,3-dihydroxyqunoxaline (colorless => whites are better).

Old ciba paper keeps very well, opposite to other color materials, and I have no fog on paper, expired at 1990, but you will need enlarger with possibility to use filter values about 400 300 00 for such paper.

Thank you very much for that. At least I know its possible, will investigate the chemistry. I must have at least 100 sheets of 8x10 to practice on. I see someone selling 6x6 Cibachrome filters on ebay. My enlarger will take a 6x6 filters.

I cant find any info on the Kodak film?

MattKing · Mar 22, 2017

awty said:
I cant find any info on the Kodak film?

I'm guessing that it is a predecessor to something like this: http://www.kodak.com/eknec/documents/78/0900688a802b0878/ti2569.pdf

awty · Mar 22, 2017

MattKing said:
I'm guessing that it is a predecessor to something like this: http://www.kodak.com/eknec/documents/78/0900688a802b0878/ti2569.pdf

Its possible that its air surveillance film, but probably black and white, cant see any mention of colour. If so it would have a higher iso, you would think?

Prof_Pixel · Mar 22, 2017

It looks like the box of DuPont Defender paper has a 8/47 expiration date. The Kodak 10x10 film is probably from the same period (the AAF in the name could mean Army Air Force that became the Air Force in Sept 47). My guess is that it is a B&W film.

ndrs · Mar 22, 2017

Old Ciba/Ilfochrome paper can be still great for printing from B&W transparencies. Nicely toned prints with a touch of 3D.

awty · Mar 22, 2017

Prof_Pixel said:
It looks like the box of DuPont Defender paper has a 8/47 expiration date. The Kodak 10x10 film is probably from the same period (the AAF in the name could mean Army Air Force that became the Air Force in Sept 47). My guess is that it is a B&W film.

Yeah thats what Im thinking. I can barely make the expiry date but it looks to be 1946, so old WW2 stock maybe. and 10x10 square format would make more sense for mapping.
I could try cutting a sheet to 4x5 and seeing what happens in my 4x5 camera.

MattKing · Mar 22, 2017

With respect to the Kodak material, I wonder what the reference to "transparency" was intended to mean back then.
I agree about the reference to AAF.
I wonder if it is a version of the "Kodak Aero Reversible Film" referred to in this fascinating link: http://www.photomemorabilia.co.uk/Colour_Darkroom/Early_Kodak_CameraFilm.html
(Thanks for starting this thread, because otherwise I would never have stumbled upon that link).
Does the labeling on the box indicate USA manufacture?

awty · Mar 22, 2017

MattKing said:
With respect to the Kodak material, I wonder what the reference to "transparency" was intended to mean back then.
I agree about the reference to AAF.
I wonder if it is a version of the "Kodak Aero Reversible Film" referred to in this fascinating link: http://www.photomemorabilia.co.uk/Colour_Darkroom/Early_Kodak_CameraFilm.html
(Thanks for starting this thread, because otherwise I would never have stumbled upon that link).
Does the labeling on the box indicate USA manufacture?

Thanks unfortunately his site on seems to have colour. Cant find much at all on kodak vintage sheet film. Have sent him an email to see if he knows anything about it.
Yes made in USA.
Rochester ny USA by Eastman Kodak company.

emulsion no. SSO 499-2 14

MattKing · Mar 22, 2017

awty said:
Thanks unfortunately his site on seems to have colour. Cant find much at all on kodak vintage sheet film.

I think you may have colour sheet film.

awty · Mar 23, 2017

MattKing said:
I think you may have colour sheet film.

Unless somebody knows for sure the only way to tell will be to cut the bag and take one out to take a look. Which I will have to do anyhow to make sure they arent all stuck together.

Mean while I just finished my darkroom, pulled out one of the piece of Dupoint photo paper from the middle of the stash, did a test strip at 10 sec intervals, forgot to stop down, used some multi grade developer, didnt bother cooling down to 20c and expecting it just to turn black, I was pleasantly greeted by an image........cant believe it 70 year old paper and my first ever print.

Im going to try again. Oh any sugestion on developing and fixing times. I think I did about 40secs @27 degrees C.

tezzasmall · Mar 24, 2017

awty said:
....cant believe it 70 year old paper and my first ever print.

Well done on doing your first print and to add to that on REALLY old paper. It must be the oldest I've heard mentioned on the forum, that has been used successfully.

Terry S

awty · Mar 24, 2017

tezzasmall said:
Well done on doing your first print and to add to that on REALLY old paper. It must be the oldest I've heard mentioned on the forum, that has been used successfully.

Terry S

Thanks Terry, was a real surprise. Cant be positive what the paper is cause there is different sizes and the box is marked 11x14. There is 11x14 paper in there and it all at least feels the same.
Ive put it away for now until I can practice on some cheap modern paper.

awty · Jul 18, 2017

Hi I have just opened the box of Kodak film and cut up a single sheet into four pieces of 4x5 to try out.
Still very puzzled at what type of film it is the off cut has a single rectangle notch and red backing. Its also quite flimsy compared to other film I have used.

Any suggestions?

bdial · Jul 18, 2017

The notch looks like it may be High Speed Infrared per my 1964 Darkroom Dataguide.
Direct Positive Panchromatic also has a single, rectangular notch, but it's shorter and shallower than the HIE notch. No color films in this copy though.

awty · Jul 18, 2017

bdial said:
The notch looks like it may be High Speed Infrared per my 1964 Darkroom Dataguide.
Direct Positive Panchromatic also has a single, rectangular notch, but it's shorter and shallower than the HIE notch. No color films in this copy though.

Thanks I saw that Kodak has similar notch for several different films, doesnt make it any easier.
Now if I can just find which one has a red backing.....maybe they all do

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