Fatif - lens boards, bellows – all mysteries revealed!

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ooffy

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I had searched the forum a few days back on Fatif and was very surprised to read the number of posts on how hard it was to get/fit lens boards to Fatif cameras and what a great “mystery” the round corner bellows were to make.

As a long time owner and user of four 4x5 and two 8x10 Fatif cameras (that happily displaced Sinar P systems that were poor replacements for Linhof Kadans – but, that’s a diatribe for another time), I can confirm that they are indeed heavy cameras – but that’s a VERY GOOD THING.

The last thing one wants in a large format camera is movement and a flimsy camera. And, let’s face it, it’s not like any 4x5 or large view camera is a hand-held camera and the more mass one has, the more stable the system is – the old adage “you cannot have too heavy a tripod . . .” They are actually lighter than a Sinar P or the big Horseman or Claumet/Cambo, and not all that much heavier than a Arca or Linhof (except the Technikardan, maybe). Yes, there are field cameras that are lighter, but they are NOT studio monorail view cameras and do not have the stability or movements/feature of a studio view camera. Heavy is good.

Lens boards – first off, all you need to do to buy a lens board is to email Fatif and order one, just like you would do with Calumet, Sinar, or whatever – what’s so hard about that? Fatif also makes lens boards that take Linhof lens boards and Sinar lens boards, so it is a very flexible system.

Fatif offers three different bellows. The standard bellows is a “conventionally” made bellows with standard bellows material and a lined interior – it has corners that are at a 45-degree angle and are made like almost all other manufacturers bellows. The wide angle bellows is lined glove leather and is or conventional design as well.

The “rounded” corner bellows is the deluxe soft leather bellows (also lined). It’s no great mystery as to how it’s made if you look at it. A rectangular piece of glove leather is formed over a corner tool (using steam), just as one would form a shoe, setting in the “round” pleats. The remaining pleats are then formed on a second pleat-shaped tool and the now bellows-shaped unit is sowed in one seam. Very simple.

Oh, fellow Fatif owners with “wounded” cameras. I have some factory repair parts like the corner castings, rise licking levers, springs, etc. if you need repair parts and don’t want to go through Italy, I may be able to help.

Ron Bennett
Monmouth, OR

PS I have a bunch of extra Fatif lens boards and a couple of compendium hoods without homes.
 

Joe Haberman

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Fatif still alive & well?

Yes, I know I'm responding to a VERY OLD thread. Still have Fatif parts? It sounds by the various descriptions I have seen that it's a very nice, smooth design. Current ebay listing is described as follows: "Italian made Fatif 4x5 view camera. Innovative system with easy adjustments. Locking mechanism for rear standard uprights is broken, but still functions. The bellows and ground glass are in good condition."
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I wonder if the "Locking mechanism for rear standard uprights is broken" could be corrected by your having the "rise locking levers" from your post back on 1-17-06? I find that often there are common part failures, so wondering if that is the one for this design.
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From other blogs I see that these cameras are often heavily used, so may need work to bring them back to full functionality. Just wonder if it's worth it, with say, tons of Cambo stuff at unbeatable prices? Other blogs mention limited wide angle application - like limited to maybe 90mm lenses. I did see one sold earlier this month, from Italy no less.
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There are two 4x5s listed on ebay right now and one thrashed 8x10. The 8x10 has a broken corner casting, but other cracked parts. That one is probably not worth messing with.

Joe Haberman
 

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"Innovative system with easy adjustments."

Innovative may have been back then the combination of base- and central-tilt (though still not yaw-free).

Still unique concerning design, not handling, is that block at the lower end of the standard holding both tilt and shift guides.
 
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