F-1/New battery

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    Does the F-1/New handle Alkaline batteries pretty well, or is this camera a good case for using Silver Oxide.?
    What are you guys using in your F-1/New.?
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    They should be either PX 28 Silver Oxide or PX 28L Lithium batteries Chip according to the camera manual. I've had a Lithium one in one of my New F1s for more than ten years so " Don't spoil the ship for a ha'porth of tar "
     
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    I have the new one and its 4LR44. Those used in dog shock collars.
     
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    They should be either PX 28 Silver Oxide or PX 28 L Lithium batteries Chip.don't "spoil the ship for a ha'path of tar".
     
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    The Alkaline are so cheap, i had been using and then changing them Very Frequently.
    I ordered some Silv/Ox from Amazon just now......see if that helps to get some of my snap-shots into The Louvre.:smile:
     
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    I wouldn't count on that Chip, but Silver Oxide batteries were what the meters were designed for.
     
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    Your right.....my photos are too good for the likes of The Louvre :whistling:
     
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    Not quite. As mercury cells the silver-oxide ones deliver a quite stable voltage and thus were kind of substitute for the Mercury ones.

    Once the device has a voltage control stage the primary stability of a cell no longer is of utmost importance. Then issues as

    -) size (format)
    -) price per sample
    -) price per life-cycle (per usable capacity)
    -) leakage risk
    -) temperature dependancy of capacity
    -) storage time
    -) life-time once started (Zn-air)

    may be considered instead.
     
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    So where does that leave the F-1/New.......does it benefit from the use of Silv/Ox batteries.?
     
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    For daily use I would take whatever at hand.
     
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    (taken from an original New F-1 manual)
     
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    Definitely yes, I have been using them in my three New F1,s for more than 25 years
     
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    The Canon new F-1 and the Canon A-series cameras have very good voltage regulation and can use the alkaline batteries but you will not get the battery life from these that you do with the lithium and silver oxide batteries. As I recall the lithium batteries became popular when silver prices went up thanks to the Hunt brothers manipulation of silver prices in the 80's. Lithium batteries work well with lower temperatures and silver oxide batteries are recommended for longest life in camera. But of course remove all batteries when the camera is not being used.
     
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    That's right in my experience, Mike and I particularly appreciate how much lighter the AA Lithium cells are than the Alkaline ones are in the Motor Drive FN for the New F1 that takes 12 of them!
     
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    Weight... something I did not even think of (aside of the classic lead batteries (used in flashes))
     
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    Any of you guys that were a Professional Photographer "Back Then" how often did you see a guy with a Canon F-1 or Nikon F2/F3 using one of those giant battery attachments.?
    You would think that they almost made the camera "unusable".
    I realize there would have been times when it was important to have that ability, but.......:smile:
    The fastest motor i eve used were those Smell/Thin units that just added an inch or so to the bottom of the body. They basically saved you from making the motion of winding the film and allowed you to keep looking through the viewfinder and not having to move the camera to advance the film.
     
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    Well, think of the press photographers schlepping around their lead-acid battery packs for their flashes.

    And those camera battery packs could be carried seperately too. At least with the F1.
     
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    If you paid any attention to the photographers at any of the big sporting events - Olympics, World Series, Super Bowl, World Cup - you would definitely see those big motor drives and power packs.
    Not to mention silly expensive big lenses.
     
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    Yeah...i understand. I guess i never paid much attention to it. I would think, as they became available, motor drives were just standard. Sports photographers might live or die from being able to do 4-5 frames a second.
    Just a sign of the times i suppose.
    And yes, those super expensive 300-500 lens. Cannot imagine what a 500/2.8 lens sells for.:smile:
     
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    Not only the motor drives and long lenses Chip, but also 250 exposure bulk film backs they used with New F1s in the 1984 LA Olympics
     
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    I have one of those big ol' Canon Motor Drives "Motor Drive Unit" aka Motor MD for the original style F1. It was rathe inconvenient but had a lot of neat features. (Still have it----somewhere.) There is a remote battery cord which makes just a little less ridiculous, you can stick the battery case on your belt. I got it in a trade, took it out once, hiking, once was enough.
     
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    I have the Motor Winder F for my F1n's its much lighter than the Motor Drive F and only needs 4 AA batteries.
     
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