Earth Colors

[David Brown]

Do you get these colors from your film and lens ?

Yes.

 

[nworth]

The quality of the color depends mostly on the film, not the camera at all (unless you have light leaks) and only a little on the lens. (The more elements in a lens the weaker the color, especially if the coating is poor or there are additional internal reflections.) It is generally easy to get vivid saturated colors with today's films. Color accuracy is another matter. That is especially true with complex colors, like the earth colors, and pastel shades. The technique shown here can be a valuable tool for testing films and printing systems. Make up a board of color samples that are difficult, make test pictures, and compare them under various lighting with the original.

 

[aloha]

Yes, but sometimes the camera is not the only tool present.

You damm near made me spray coffee all over my monitor!

That needs to go on a T-Shirt.

 

[mawz]

The quality of the color depends mostly on the film, not the camera at all (unless you have light leaks) and only a little on the lens. (The more elements in a lens the weaker the color, especially if the coating is poor or there are additional internal reflections.) It is generally easy to get vivid saturated colors with today's films. Color accuracy is another matter. That is especially true with complex colors, like the earth colors, and pastel shades. The technique shown here can be a valuable tool for testing films and printing systems. Make up a board of color samples that are difficult, make test pictures, and compare them under various lighting with the original.

Choice of lens can have quite an effect on the resulting colour. My Minolta and Mamiya lenses deliver gorgeous saturated colours while my Pentax lenses tend to deliver much more restrained renderings. There's quite a visible difference between rendering styles even with the same film.

That said, each of these lenses will render a full spectrum of colour, they do differ in how they render it though.

Note that if you like Leica rendering, you'll like Minolta rendering, they're nearly identical with regards to colour rendering.

 

[Ten301]

I do think different brands of lenses my have some slight effect on color rendering, which would probably only show on positive film. However, I don't get the original post. I don't understand what he is trying to say or accomplish? All things being equal, any standard lens from any of the major manufacturers can render a full range of color. The particular film used would have infinitely more to do with color rendition than what lens is used.

 

[2F/2F]

I do think different brands of lenses my have some slight effect on color rendering, which would probably only show on positive film. However, I don't get the original post. I don't understand what he is trying to say or accomplish? All things being equal, any standard lens from any of the major manufacturers can render a full range of color. The particular film used would have infinitely more to do with color rendition than what lens is used.

He stated that he was schooling us all in what we lack...which is why I wondered what the hell he was talking about.

 

[keithwms]

Greg, I would buy that t-shirt too!

The colour neutrality of a lens system and of the film or sensor can be a big issue. But people who need the very best colour rendition know very well about apo/ULD/ED glass and colour profiling and ... you certainly don't need to use a Leica to get it. The unnecessary brandwanking is what set this thread off on the wrong foot.

 

[Poisson Du Jour]

Is there a reason for an intellectually barren thread like this? Comparing artist oils/acrylics to Leica optics defies logic. All the more bizarre since we are viewing colours on screen in three channels.

Delete it.

 

[Jeff Kubach]

I agree!

Jeff

 

[fotch]

Its weird.

 

[36cm2]

Posted wirelessly..

Please don't delete it. The entertainment value is immeasurable. Mustafa's rabblerousing saldo, followed by a beautifully rancorous rebuttal from 2F/2F, soothe by an endless cast of comic relievers. If you ask me, there's more color in this post than I've ever seen out of a Summacumleica.

 

[cfclark]

Yes, but sometimes the camera is not the only tool present.

You damm near made me spray coffee all over my monitor!

That needs to go on a T-Shirt.

Same here--I wish I could convey the color of the coffee I almost splattered on my monitor, but I don't have a Leica.

 

[eddie]

I get those colors from my Dianas, but it's usually not the color of the subject.

 

[kevs]

I'm sure my Bronica, Yashica, Chinon or Nikon lenses and some Fujichrome or Ektachrome would record those hues nicely, but I don't photograph paint samples often. The picture of the couple picking their noses - so good to see his Leica is so sharp.

 

[2F/2F]

I'm sure my Bronica, Yashica, Chinon or Nikon lenses and some Fujichrome or Ektachrome would record those hues nicely, but I don't photograph paint samples often. The picture of the couple picking their noses - so good to see his Leica is so sharp.

Yes!!!!!!!!! It is so sharp that he even asked us to ZOOM IN on it to put it under some REAL scrutiny (just in case we couldn't tell how sharp it was in a tiny version)!!!

A Leica is great all right...exactly as great as the person using it...and that picture PROVES it!

Don't get me wrong. We've all taken unsharp, poorly-timed, far-out-of-color-balance photos...but do we then turn around and use them to prove how great our equipment is? No. We tend to use our best shots to do this. He couldn't find ONE shot that was better than that one to prove how great the Summitar is (and it IS great)?

I also have no idea about the technical information he provided about the glass on the Summitar.

 

[Steve Smith]

You damm near made me spray coffee all over my monitor!

That needs to go on a T-Shirt.

What?.... The coffee?


Steve.

 

[lxdude]

Well, he Mustafa point in there somewhere.

 

[Athiril]

I honestly think the stuff I got now is better than Leica glass, they're overrated imho.

Anyway this is kind of useless if you're not on a calibated monitor (also if its calibrated with a spyder... its still not calibrated, they have horrible inaccurate balance - colormunki that replaces it fixes that), even then I believe this is still kind of useless.