These are relevant questions, and I'd add reliability of the pH measurement as a possible factor. And of course errors in weighing out chemistry.What did you use for time and temperature? I love the boston.
I'd be very hesitant to connect specific color observations to the chemistry. Yes, there's a difference, and yes, the chemistry has something to do with it. But especially when troubleshooting, what's most useful is to have a good baseline comparison that removes the influence of automatic color balancing in the digital part of the process. Fortunately, @originalwinslow has supplied us with an excellent comparison in the form of a photograph of two negative strips. We can use this to do a crude/naive color balancing for the known-good strip, so we can see what the objective difference is with the DIY-processed strip:the kit seems to have got rid of the red cast in the DIY but altered the colour of the boston from black to brown
The CD-4 fizzed upon contact with the rest of the solution, still unclear to me if this affects the chemistry. I could try pre-mixing CD-4 with water before introducing.
I'd be very hesitant to connect specific color observations to the chemistry. Yes, there's a difference, and yes, the chemistry has something to do with it. But especially when troubleshooting, what's most useful is to have a good baseline comparison that removes the influence of automatic color balancing in the digital part of the process. Fortunately, @originalwinslow has supplied us with an excellent comparison in the form of a photograph of two negative strips. We can use this to do a crude/naive color balancing for the known-good strip, so we can see what the objective difference is with the DIY-processed strip:
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Note that the key difference really is in the blue/yellow channel. That effect is so dominant that there's very little basis to say anything really about other colors. After all, the blue cast in the DIY processed strip is so strong that all other hues can be assumed to be contaminated, resulting in shifts and reduced saturation. If you allow software to auto-color balance the bottom strip, what'll happen is that new color anomalies are introduced that are a side-effect of automatically correcting the dominant blue cast. If you're not aware of this, it's all too easy to believe that these side-effects are somehow due to the chemistry, even if they're just a digital artifact.
So let's be very careful in how we talk about what effect the DIY chemistry has had on color. The main thing we can state with confidence is that the DIY-processed film features a dramatically higher degree of yellow dye formation. If you look at the negative, it's also clear that both the magenta and cyan hues are lacking in the un-inverted negative, so it's to be expected that the reds and greens will be weak, while the blues are emphasized.
The reason why this is pertinent is because the blue-sensitive (yellow dye-forming) layer is at the top of the film, green/magenta is in the middle and red/cyan is at the bottom. For some reason, the developer has acted more strongly on the top layer than the underlying layers. This means that either the developer hasn't had sufficient time or opportunity to penetrate into the lower layers and/or to do its work there, but it has had sufficient time to act on the top layer.
Looking at Kodak's C-41 troubleshooting chart, a few things come to mind:
* Insufficient color developer; e.g. a weighing error made when weighing out the CD-4. @originalwinslow can you confirm that you did in fact use CD-4 and not CD-3? The latter is less active and will probably give distinct color shifts. You may also try to dissolve the CD-4 in water first as you proposed, although AFAIK there's no chemical difference with just dumping it into the mix directly. Yes, it does fizz; the CD-4 is acidic and the developer is alkaline.
* Developer is too weak overall. This doesn't easily happen if you start with dry chemistry unless you mistakenly add too much water - but that mistake is usually noticed early on. Another possible cause for anomalous activity is a pH that's off the mark. You mention a 10.05 pH, but how was this determined? In my experience, low-end pH meters are notoriously unreliable.
Finally, there's the possibility of something triggering excess yellow dye formation; i.e. dichroic fog. This can be in the domain of bleach or fixer contamination of the developer. However, this would explain only the excess density and not the lack of cyan and magenta, overall. So even if there's some kind of fogging issue going on, it's not the dominant factor.
By all means, some kind of mixing error in the developer or poor development process parameter control is the likely culprit.
Thanks for the very extensive reply
What did you use for time and temperature? I love the boston.
can you confirm that you did in fact use CD-4 and not CD-3? The latter is less active and will probably give distinct color shifts. You may also try to dissolve the CD-4 in water first as you proposed, although AFAIK there's no chemical difference with just dumping it into the mix directly. Yes, it does fizz; the CD-4 is acidic and the developer is alkaline.
* Developer is too weak overall. This doesn't easily happen if you start with dry chemistry unless you mistakenly add too much water - but that mistake is usually noticed early on. Another possible cause for anomalous activity is a pH that's off the mark. You mention a 10.05 pH, but how was this determined? In my experience, low-end pH meters are notoriously unreliable.
My pH meter is on the cheaper end, but I two-point calibrate each time before testing my solutions. It reads the pH 10 buffer correctly so I don't have much of a reason to doubt its accuracy at this point...
I thought this might be main issue with the cheap meter, that the electrode is simply incapable of getting even a somewhat accurate reading due to the composition of the chemicals. I went through the H24 manual and found the recommended electrode available on ebay for $50 which isn't too bad. Not sure if these electrodes go bad in storage, though. Ebay is always a bit of a shot in the dark. I would also need a halfway decent meter with BNC connector, if anyone has suggestions.Hi, I wouldn't be too confident that your color developer pH are correct. I appreciate that you ARE calibrating your meter. The real issue is with the pH electrode (I'm assuming the typical glass bulb style). Color developers are a special sort of thing, and not all pH electrodes can read them correctly.
If you're gonna use a non-proven meter/electrode combination, I would recommend to get your aim pH value by actually mixing a fresh commercial color developer (preferably by Kodak or Fuji-Hunt?). Then whatever THAT measures, with your calibrated meter, becomes your aim pH value.
How would ph paper work in this environment?
I would also need a halfway decent meter with BNC connector, if anyone has suggestions.
People appreciate its accuracy, consistent with the manufacturer's declarations, and the repeatability of measurements.
Under what conditions though? As @Mr Bill has pointed out, photographic developers are a bit of an exceptional case.
What's nice about the Voltcraft unit is that it comes with a little bottle that invites you to properly store the electrode when it's not being used. It may last a little longer that way. My experience with low-end pH meters (price-wise, this is still low-end) is that the probes work OK for some time; sometimes a few weeks, sometimes a few months. And then invariably they start to drift out of calibration and can no longer be calibrated.
I don't know in what conditions. I think that in the current summer time a lot of people use it to test pH in their pools.
But this pH meter was recommended by my friend (who runs his own photo lab) from the Polish Korex forum.
As for those electrodes for $50 on Ebay (CORNING 476024), unfortunately I have great doubts about their current efficiency. They look like 20-year-old warehouse finds and these electrodes have probably been dry for 15 years. Electrodes should be stored in KCl.
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