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Hi to all.

there is a long history of this make and an enormous number of several models produced since the 60s.
Does anybody know , which one is recommnedable and which less or not recommendable and could tell me the reasons ?

Without any deeper knowledge the MTL5 and the older LLC got in my focus or a TL 1000. I would be contended even with a meterless model, would save me the battery issue.

Which one, and which lenses ? I would take a 2,8/29, 1,8/50 and a 2,8/135 ?
Any specials ?
Thanks !

bertram
 

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I have an MTL5 (Natalie -- my first camera, actually) but the 50mm f1.8 fell apart - literally.

I replaced that with a mamiya 28 and 50mm and a surprisingly lovely vivitar 105, all in f2.8.

I ought to run a few rolls through the old girl, come to think of it.
 

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Hi to all.

there is a long history of this make and an enormous number of several models produced since the 60s.
Does anybody know , which one is recommnedable and which less or not recommendable and could tell me the reasons ?

Without any deeper knowledge the MTL5 and the older LLC got in my focus or a TL 1000. I would be contended even with a meterless model, would save me the battery issue.

Which one, and which lenses ? I would take a 2,8/29, 1,8/50 and a 2,8/135 ?
Any specials ?
Thanks !

bertram

Bertram,

The Pentacon company can trace its roots to the very beginning of camera making in Dresden, through Zeiss-Ikon. The most direct bloodline is from KW (Guthe & Thorsch), where it started as the pre-war Praktiflex; after the post-war adoption of the Contax M42X1mm mount it became the Praktica.

If you are interested in Praktica M42X1 screw mount models, here is a brief rundown of the generations:

1. The waist-level series: very traditional and simple cameras, only the later models feature automatic stop-down striker plate, but provide the function of disengagement for compatibility with early lenses with greater intrusion into the mount. I have a specimen of the first model Praktica, and it is a jewel!

2. The IV-V series: basically a late model waist-level FX-type with permanently fixed pentaprism, along with modifications like an added lever wind at camera bottom like the Retina. It is considered by some commentators as the one with the best engineering. If you can get a VF of VFB, buy it; it is very rare and the first one with modern shutter speed progression and instant-return mirror.

3. The Nova series: a new chassis with normal top-mounted level wind. The Nova still has the old dual-range rotating shutter speed dial but the Nova I models have modern non-rotating dial incorporating all speeds. Generally in poorer conditions when found, but still very useable. Variations include two TTL-metering versions, the Prakticamat and the Super TL; the Super TL is the first one without the disengageable automatic diaphragm actuator. They take the dreaded PX625 button cell and the metering accuracy can be a little dicey now.

4. The L-series: New-look, "folded paper" styling with metal shutter. Made in five generations. Those with "LC" or "EE" in the names require a large PX21 alkaline cell which might be a little tricky to find, and they feature full-aperture metering if used with "electric" lenses. Those with "TL" in the names also have TTL metering but using the stop-down principle so can be more compatible, and they use the PX625 as well, except for a few models. Speaking of the more common, later ones, the MTL5B uses a standard 76/44 button cell and may be the pick of the lot, and the MTL50 made prior to that uses a PX28 which is basically four of those 76/44 stacked together, as used by the Canon A-series and others. if you don't like to mess with batteries, you can consider the L or the L2, from the first and second generation respectively; they are completely meterless.

Nearly all of the original screw-mount lenses for Prakticas were supplied by two firms: Carl Zeiss of Jena, and Hugo Meyer of Gorlitz; the latter firm was bought by Pentacon and gradually the Meyer name was replaced by Pentacon. Very few of these lenses are less than satisfactory; in fact I prefer them to almost all others regardess of origin and age.

If you like Meyer lenses, the Orestegon 29/2.8, Oreston 50/1.8, Orestor 135/2.8 (and the Pentacon-badged equivalences) make for a nice allround kit. Earlier lenses such as the Lydith 30/3.5 (preset diaphragm), Orestor 100/2.8, Orestegor 200/4 are also very capable.

From the Zeiss stable, you might want to consider a trio consisting of the Flektogon 35/2.4 (or the earlier 35/2.8), Pancolar 50/1.8 (or the very scarce 50/2), and the Sonnar 135/3.5 (or the earlier 135/4). The Pancolar nowadays are sought after, but the simple Tessar 50/2.8 is still no slouch. Other Zeiss lenses of note are Flektogon 20/2.8 and the earlier 20/4, Pancolar 80/1.8 and the big Sonnars.

Good luck!
 

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I have a BX20. Nice camera which gives consistently great results.
 

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The only one I've ever used is the LTL which I bought used 17 years ago. It's been dropped onto concrete twice, carried all over in a rucksack, travelled in hold baggage, and generally subject to much abuse. The body is looking very battered but just keeps going, meter is fine according to my other cameras, shutter seems accurate at all speeds. One very tough camera!

Only put 3 films through it in the last three years. Possibly as a result the aperture blades on the Carl Zeiss Jena Pancolar 50/1.8 are a little sticky and it doesn't always stop down below f/8. I've had some very sharp pictures from this lens though, just a lot more prone to flare than my Nikkors.
 

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The only one I've ever used is the LTL which I bought used 17 years ago. It's been dropped onto concrete twice, carried all over in a rucksack, travelled in hold baggage, and generally subject to much abuse. The body is looking very battered but just keeps going, meter is fine according to my other cameras, shutter seems accurate at all speeds. One very tough camera!

Only put 3 films through it in the last three years. Possibly as a result the aperture blades on the Carl Zeiss Jena Pancolar 50/1.8 are a little sticky and it doesn't always stop down below f/8. I've had some very sharp pictures from this lens though, just a lot more prone to flare than my Nikkors.

Stan,

It should be a simple job for a repairer to clean the Pancolar's iris blades and mechanism. It is a known fact that Meyer and Zeiss lenses for the Praktica had the iris unit not enclosed like in other makes of lenses, so the grease in the focussing helicoid can be distilled out and stuck to the iris blades and mechanisms, making their action somewhat hesitant. A round of cleaning after stripping down the diaphragm system will return it to full functionality.
 
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@all:
thanks again for all the useful input, I got some L, LTL VLC and TL 1000 stuff on my Ebay watchlist !

Bestm
Bertram
 

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Ahhh, good ol' Practica's. Pretty much the only cameras available new back in the haydays of the "socialistic workers-and-farmers-state" (guess I outed my origins, LOL).
Anyway, I dug out a few websites related to Practica cameras, if you haven't already seen them:
http://www.praktica-collector.de/
http://home.zugang.net/petermann/kameras.htm
http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uhr/freizeit/Fotografie/Sammlung/meine_sammlung.html

There used to be another very valuable site by a guy in the Netherlands (or was it Belgium?), but I wasn't able to find it. That site had pretty much EVERY single model ever produced outlined in great detail.

Chris
 

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Stan,

It should be a simple job for a repairer to clean the Pancolar's iris blades and mechanism. It is a known fact that Meyer and Zeiss lenses for the Praktica had the iris unit not enclosed like in other makes of lenses, so the grease in the focussing helicoid can be distilled out and stuck to the iris blades and mechanisms, making their action somewhat hesitant. A round of cleaning after stripping down the diaphragm system will return it to full functionality.

Yes, I think I might look into getting this done. What you describe is exactly what is happening, it will sometimes go smaller than f/8 but it is hesitant and I wouldn't trust it. There are signs of grease on the blades visible through the front of the lens.

It may not be financially justified but this camera and lens is the first one I ever bought for myself, after lots of saving from a part-time job, so it has a sentimental value and would love to continue using it.
 

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Requisite reading on all the models: http://www.praktica-users.com/index2.html

I have an L and most of the problems I had were with the film counter and the shutter speed. I did get a good CLA on it, which was probably more expensive than buying a new one, but I hate to see cameras go to trash.
 

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I have a BX20. Nice camera which gives consistently great results.

I've a couple of BC1s, took one on holiday about 5 years ago along with a Canon EOS and can't actually tell which photos were taken with which camera. I originally had an MTL5 but the light meter died when it was about 10 years old - would have cost almost as much as my second BC1 to get it fixed so I purchased a second BC1 instead. Don't get used much these days but were always good cameras. I did get a BX20 once but didn't like it as much. But thats personal choice.
 

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Domiplan?

I have an MTL-3and a Nova 1B. Both excellent cameras. Also have a Contax D, which I think is the granddaddy of these cameras. Another excellent camera, but lacking instant return mirror or autodiaphragm facilities. Minor drawbacks really. :smile:

Speaking of 'bad lenses', I've a really bad Domiplan. Not because its optics suck (contrary to what's been said about it, I've found it to be more than decent, with good contrast and colour rendition). This three element triplet has a problematic diaphragm mechanism. It doesn't stop down. It was OK when it arrived, and functioned right for about a week, then the diaphragm got stuck at full opening. The diaphragm stop-down mechanism was easy to access, and the fix was also quick. This made the lens work for a while but reverted to its stuck diaphragm condition after a few 'fires' on camera.

I tried doing almost everything I could think of with the parts in question (the erratic component is a big curved spring which spans half of the lens barrel's diameter). Bent, loosened, tightened, lightly lubed its pivots. Made the lens work briefly after 'repair' but soon gets stuck again when put on the Praktica.

Jay
 

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I have several Praktica cameras, an MTL-5, Super TL 1000, 3 x BX20's which all are already died on me, B200, BC-1, BMS. I think the M42 bodies are much more reliable than the B series but oh! the viewfinders are so dark.
 

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I love the pictures from my CZJ 80/1.8 but it is a bayonet mount, can't afford the M42 one. And the M42 29/2.8 which I have two are truly wonderful especially in low-light capture.
 
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