100 year old Rodinal

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    My 25yo+ bottles can be considered fresh juice then.
     
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    The comments suggest it's not that old, my first impression looking at the label was 1950s. Rodinal is still my developer of choice for slower films. There was talk that some of the Rodinal derivatives don't have the same shelf life as the original formula, I don't know how true that is. The biggest surprise is a leaky old bottle of chemicals got through customs.
     
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    The bottle says VEB Wolfen, which means it is from East Germany, post 1949. VEB = "People-owned enterprise"
    This VEB was founded 1953 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORWO).

    OK, others saw this as well in the artcle's comments...
     
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    I was convinced that I recognised that cat as belonging to Lloyd George when he was Prime Minister during WWI. He found it in a distressed state outside Number 10 during a Zeppelin raid so it had to be 100 yr old Rodinal. Then somebody spoils it by pointing out the DDR label.

    In the spirit of the modern Zeitgeist, shame on you for shattering a good tale and sacrificing it to mundane and overrated truth.

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    i still believe it a 100 year old bottle... i also believe trump is gonna make america grate again!:cry:
     
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    Grate what? Cheese?
     
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    There is a anecdotal story that in the late 70's when they were still restoring the old part of Dresden which the allies nearly obliterated in 1945 they uncovered an old bottle of Rodinal which was nearly empty from what had been a photographers shop and the contents were still perfectly usable. Not quite the 100 years some claim but still a long time to have an opened bottle and it still work.
     
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    Yeah;don't destroy my illusions with facts.
     
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    So much about the expertise of Petapixel.
     
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    I wonder if a teaspoon of Rodinal a day will help extend human life, as gin, sherry etc has been quoted to do? It could then be quoted as being the reason of getting to 100+ years old. :D :D

    Terry S
     
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    Grate. Nice one. Sometimes we maybe are not so divided by a common language :D

    pentaxuser.
     
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    Yes thats indeed a very old rodinal in original package.
    It seams so. The rodinal much older I would,t use.
    Not from characteristics - obvoiusly (some made experience and stated it very often) aged rodinal is just fine - thats right.
    But to 100 years old rodinal I truly not belive it is usable.
    If you will find it - better give it to
    Sotheby's.
    But to be sure, - the 1918 design should look like this :
    Agfa-Rodinal-pub-1918-De-950.jpg
    And if you will find some films it should be with this font :
     
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    Agfa-Ansco-Readyset-cameras-pub-1918-Us-850.jpg

    with regards
     
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    If Rodinal can last over 50 years in a leaky bottle, imagine if it were in an airtight one.
     
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    !!!Ausserordentlich haltbar!!!

    Also for paper...
     
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    Did you know Helios that rodinal was
    announced to Voyager1 in 1977 ?

    640px-Voyager_with_descriptions(2).png
    But then the decision came to the golden
    record.....:cry::sad::sad:...
    Imagine rodinal has passed the heliopause and would be in interstellar space meanwhile.

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    50 years or 100 years - doesn't surprise me in the least.
     
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    I have some of the very similar Azol which was tested and working at 62 years old:
    https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/vintage-chemicals.67677/
    After the test the clear liquid was decanted to another sealed bottle and has deposited a lot of crystals again.
    It seems the early formulas of Rodinal type do this.
     
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    Look above - best method to reach billions of years shell live (bejond the heliopause) :wink: frozen at 0,0237 kelvin vacuum dryed.

    Seriously rodinal is not the worst developing stuff and remember - it was a very early photo patent.(1891)

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    Most acutance developers work on the principle of restricting the amount of developing agent(s). The more heavily exposed portions of the negative are therefore starved during development and development stops or is slowed in these areas. Examples would be the Beutler formula and Geoffrey Crawley's FX-2. Kodak HDD (High Definition Developer) used a different principle in that it limits the amount of alkali present instead of developing agent. The developer was never marketed in the US (it was marketed in the UK) nor was the formula ever published. Crawley did make a stab at what the recipe might be in one of the BJ annuals. AFAIK HDD is the only developer to use this principle.
     
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    Behold, the great panacea of film developers.

    [​IMG]

    Found this one on a German photography blog, the person who bought this bottle succefully developed a roll of 44 years old ORWO. He had to drill a hole through the rubber plug which had fused with crystallized sediment.

    On the bottle you can read:
    I.G Farbenindustrie AktienGesellschaft - Agfa Berlin
    Agfa was part of I.G Farben from 1925 to 1945 which mean this bottle is at least 72 years old.

    Full article here.
     
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    Not pinpointing anything, but according to this 100 years commemoration of the mark, the Agfa Diamond appeared in 1923.

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    Your post made me check a bottle of original Rodinal I have in my darkroom but still a lot younger than 1923 - probably more like 2003 in my case. It has the red Agfa diamond with Agfa in white on it so presumably at some point beyond 1926/27 it became the Agfa red diamond you show at the bottom but without a date. I wonder when that change came about?

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    1982 according to this source.
     
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