Thanks. Yes she did snap. She had been playing with the water sprinkler! I think I'll give it another go. Maybe I'll try Rodinal for a change. I'll do some bracketing so that I get EI 25 and 50. Such slow films are difficult in the UK. For landscapes with the camera on a tripod they're OK but for handheld there is often not enough light. When TMax 400 came out I could get small grain and good speed so slow films no longer had quite the attraction but nonetheless I've always wanted to be able to take decent shots on Pan F. It's irritated me that it is the one film that has defeated me.